Showing posts with label mobile complaints. Show all posts
Showing posts with label mobile complaints. Show all posts

Wednesday, 11 May 2016

SUFFERING MORONS

In my phone at least… or rather, at the other end of it.

Stupidity knows no bounds.

Wonder what I'm talking about? A certain phonecall I had from O2 and when I explained just some of what was said to two friends who are both O2 customers they were shocked … well while laughing at the same time.

Why the rang me is because I bought a cheap O2 phone months ago but not put any credit on it in ages.

I bought it because it was a cheap Windows phone and I wanted to see what living with one was like. Not bad, not bad at all except for one very important thing. There are no Blogger or WordPress apps which are a big thumbs down for me. I found out just yesterday there is also no Nikon app to control my Nikon shutter release. You would think that a company as big as Microsoft might have done something about the stop shortage by now? Unless they have on Windows Mobile 10 and not on my version of 8?

Still I'd need to have all three of those on Windows and I would jump ship from Android in a heartbeat if it did.

Android is the least smoothest, least stable and most annoying version of a Linux system that's ever been created.

But it's successful?! Go figure. From a company famous for an almost completely blank webpage with a childish name and one text field for entering … umm, text! Double go figure!

They must have dealt with the devil to get where they are?

Anyway onto O2 …

“Sir, I have a good deal for you. For £15.50 each month we do a 1GB package but I have a chance to offer you 2GB per month, but I don't have many to give away!”

I know! Right?

“Right let's get this clear. I have a degree in software engineering and build my own PC’s so I understand this stuff. What phone do I get?”

“There is no phone, sir. What will happen is after 3 months you speak to O2 and they might give you a phone. It's about building up a relationship of trust, sir!”

Might?! Trust?! A mobile telecoms company?! I know, right!

“Yeah, that's not a very good deal mate and I've just spent £700 on photographic equipment and not buying a phone and I'm not going to go on ‘MIGHT give you a phone’. I get a better deal with what I have now.”

“What deal is that, sir?” Oh now your asking for it sunshine, you've already shown you don't listen as well as shown you think I'm an idiot!

“Well I get UNLIMITED DATA on Three fit £25 per month.”

“No, you can't, sir!” So not only am I an idiot, I'm a big fucking idiot and a big fat liar to boot?! “No one gives you unlimited data”

I then say “Oh yes they do, I'm with Three Mobile” which to be fair I'm also not happy with as they have told me better faces lies.

“No it's not unlimited, sir…” getting mightily fed up with the ‘sirs’ now “... They limit you to 4GB …” still double what the wanker is offering me the moron “... and when you reach 4GB they show it right down out stop it”

Got you!

“Oh, really? Would you like me to tell you the size of the file I downloaded the other night?”

“Yes, sir”

“12GB” I told him “...in one night so tour not being honest are you? Now do you remember talking earlier about building an element of trust? You want me to sign up for direct debit for ‘x’ amount each month with no phone, no incentive and on a tiny data download limit …”

“Goodbye sir”

“Bye!”

I've said it over and over and over again. These companies worth billions think that they personally and corporately can do and day what they like while cheating their customers and don't give a shit these days who knows about it. But you, with a millionth of the money, maybe in a tight spot financially and all the excuses to be dishonest … maybe, are not allowed to be any of these things out you go to jail or get a black mark on your credit scoring.

Meaning you can't borrow a £1,000 to buy crap of them they paid £100 for that's a faulty pile of crap you then post them interest on?!

Oh boohoo!

Si tout can't borrow money or get something you want and then get ripped off for?

That's how effing mad the UK has become.

I didn't get the chance to tell him I had three effing phones in the house! Four of you count the landline one not used anymore. I did get the chance to tell him that none of the telecoms companies are fair and none offer all the things I need.

I didn't get a chance to tell him how they also cheat and want to be paid four times over, and good they expect to get away with it, for the same effing data.

A downloaded data amount is a data amount, it does not matter a jot which device it is on or how many devices it's spread over. It would not be hard to download it all on one device and then transfer it all later across several devices. It would just be a major pain in the arse. Try to download it to your phone, tablet, laptop and PC and possibly console too and they want a £15 fee for each one.

FUCK….OFF!

All because you got too greedy to quick, like everyone else, and now the Internet has come along you don't know how to downsize … so won't and rip off your customers instead.

These morons get paid salaries of hundreds of thousands to even millions to think up these moronic ideas. Then when it won't work they go to the government to get the cash they couldn't steal directly from you?! Lol!

Hmm note that in thinking about it i wonder how many other countries have had telecoms companies do the same thing before the people of that country started to realise?

That's the thing though isn't it? These morons never ever stop to think for one second that someone, somewhere might actually work it out. Then they fail to think of the one thing that comes into play when someone's does realise their being ripped off. What if it that don't think about?

Why the very thing they tried, or succeeded for so long, to rip you off over … the Internet!

Lmao!

You really cannot make this shit up, you really can't!

I was with O2 when they were still Cellnet and was with them nine whole years. Then they tried to rip me off.

I got the first Internet smartphone, something iPhone fanboys like to pretend didn't exist, called the XDA. A windows phone.

Free internet!

Two months later I get a bill for £1,000 plus!

Turns out the few internet icons weren't labeled and didn't work and they didn't even recognised their own internet number. Heated argument for an hour and they kept insisting I was singing this mobile number. I kept telling them I didn't know if and it wasn't in my contact list! They insisted it was when it dawned on my and I said “Umm, this isn't your Internet number is it?” followed by silence for twenty seconds or more before they said “Oh, yeah … it is!”

Still wanted me to pay.

I told them to fuck off!

They broke the terms of the agreement. They didn't label the icons, i had literally two GSM and two WAP icons that were identical and I couldn't understand why.

Yet they successfully screwed up my credit scoring for the next the years desire the fact they broke laws and had no morals. Year later I was thankful they did because it turned out soon the crap they sold you on higher purchase was just that.

CRAP!!

LOL

Thursday, 2 April 2015

SIT ON BUNS FOR THE PUBLIC'S MONEY

As I stated from the start of this blog, sit back and watch as I go through every public funded organisation and service and several private retail firms and with genuine and legitimate complaints many easily proved and others with evidence and them all do NOTHING.

Oh well OK, there is the exception to the rule and that was of course the DWP.

Well they did kind of fall for an intricate and clever trap and I had them beaten and in a corner with no room for manaeuvre. The game was quite literally up and they knew it.

Hmm...yes I have done this with someone else I have yet to post about but its mere small time stuff and will gain attention but not a big thing from my perspective. It will be four wins out of four, that is for certain.

Anyhoo as I recently published, Three Mobile uploaded Lollipop, Android version 5, to my phone except it wasn't Lollipop. It had some additions to it I was not warned about so was placed there without asking. Legally WRONG!

This added software then stopped thee only service I had a mobile phone for, well other than my daughter wanting to call me in an emergency but I can do this now with my landline and ansering machine. Their software then told you that they were unable to provide a mobile tethering service which was entirely inaccurate. A lie. A lie they repeated to me when I was in their store, oddly enough the contracts allowed you to use it.

I also get hardly to zero service on mobile broadband in my house but every single service provider said that I did. Once again they all lied.

Proving they were lying I then placed their SIM CARD into my old smashed up Motorola Atrix phone that Very Catalogue took me to court for because I refused to pay for and I won...without leaving my sofa. I then successfully wirelessly tethered said device and was on-line on my laptop.

I specified to both Three Mobile and Ofcom that "All I can Eat Data" is what it says...but according to Ofcom, no it does not and English can be completely forgotten about when they are helping their mates out...or the Mobile Network providers. Oops. BLA-URRRT!! WRONG.

I can and have proved for 5 years that I can eat a lot of data. Both mobile phones and those pointless wireless mobile broadband modems, as you have one in your phone, have stupid 1GB to 4GB limits on them despite us being on 4G.

Do you have one of those Hi-Res screens? Above 1080p? How much because the programs, videos and YouTube they keep telling yo to visit eats up massive amounts. The 1080p would hit 1GB ion about ten minutes. As you rise to 4K screens this rises incredibly quickly. Even a half hour show of one of your favorites would be a no-no. But hey....your probably paying twice for an Internet connection at home, right? SO everything is cool....until you go away for any length of time or go camping, lol.

Interesting is how one woman gets her facts wrong in defending Three stating that they can see what your doing with your data...well NO, they cannot unless I want them to or let them. Nor should they know really nor be watching.

I have no problems with algorithms that can smartly detect what conversations to record and store away and be flagged with something that should be listened to. HOWEVER, I do have a problem when they ignore this, listen and store everything on everyone which people do not realise takes an enormous amount opf money, storage space and not to mention power when 99.9% of it is useless.

Useless that is until you spot a pattern in their actions and realise they are doing all this for corporate espionage and so actually acting for and on behalf of the richest dudes in the world...or in our case in America.

No, no...NO!

As well as this...someone hacked into my WIFI and this was a clever, clever attempt. This was a couple years back and using WIFI so were close by. No one around here has that sort of knowledge along with being close enough to do this. It was someone...hm let us say, not from around here. They used Macbook Pro's to do it too.

If I have data I do not want them to peruse then they wont. It is my guess that the hacking was done by GCHQ due to what I was involved in at the time plus I had been...umm helping them out, along with MI5 at the time so was no surprise at all.

Like everyone else I let them think I was none the wiser, the connection would not reach my data and added to this I let the connection remain for several minutes and then cut it off. This would give the impression there was a connection problem whereas if I cut it immediately they would guess I was on to them and they may have decided to take more drastic action? I did not want the drastic version to take place so I was...slow and deliberate in my actions.

Anyhoo...had a long to'ing and fro'ing with Ofcom about this, here is what we both said in the last few emails ...


EMAILS ...


Dear  Sirs

The complaint has gone on for months, not just a few weeks.

I am sorry but 'all you can eat data' is pretty self explanatory and you require nothing else to act on other than this.

Also, I thought I mentioned but may have discovered this AFTER' I last contacted you but they lied and are lying and are still lying about what they did and |I already proved it on my blog. That is to say that there warning page states that they are unable to provide a mobile tethering service at this stage and either stated or implied a technology standpoint..

However I was ALREADY performing mobile tethering and to prove that they did exactly what I had stated I simply plugged my old Three mobile chip, the one that was currently used when I made the complaint that is, and place it in an old bashed up Motorola Atrix with a smashed screen and was able to get online using my desktop.

These issues along with others being totally ignored is, along with everything else, peeing off the British public and customers and this is happening with ever more things in both retail and public services and is acquiring more and more pee'd off people all the time.

I know because I get 15,000 each month and rising and I dare say it will be 50,000 before very long, especially as I am now increasing the tools I use to be productive on the Internet and will be acquiring ever more as I think of them thought the rest of this year, 2015, so that by the end of the year my audience will be somewhat impressive and the tools will make sure that my content increases on the Internet and almost seeming to be exponential throughout this year meaning my monthly visits will climb higher than the have before.

I have posted for merely two and a half years and now know that most people achieve what I have done in double that time.

Unfortunately many people in public services and even retail chains have absolutely no clue about the digital world and the Internet and I see it, hear it and spot it all the time and everywhere. I, however, do and I have seen many things over the last twenty years and able to document a great deal.

My blog shows the ineffectiveness and corruption that is rife throughout public funded services and private ones too.

What I provide in each is incontrovertible and it is as simple as that.

The corruption discovered and/or ineffectiveness of public service or government run organisations, of which even MI5 and GCHQ were included as I was helping them out with locations and that is all I will say on the matter, has been 100% as I have conducted each investigation via a legitimate need to go through someone.

You see I did not care that nothing was done and no action was taken and that was exactly what I told the public would happen over 2.5 years ago when I started blogging...

  • I showed many years of previous contact and evidence of corruption/incompetence going back 20 years
  • I then stated that they should all watch as I gather information and evidence and one by one and often several times with each organisation that they would do nothing
  • I then published everything as I went and all emails and documentation that eight did or did not come back of which I highlighted this
  • Plausible denial was eradicated before I started each approach and in many instances I used recorded post a couple of times on each as well as emails

So in each contact as each one tries extremely hard to not do anything I also hint at emails being forwarded to wherever the work has been offloaded to.

I do not really care about what you do, I had a legitimate reason of complaint based on pure and simple plain English and then I put on a show as 15,000 people and rising each month visit to see the wriggling, lying, cheating, falsification and unloading to someone else, or not as the case may be, some very serious crimes that everyone ignores including the Police.

I can assure you and your bosses that not only did correctly avoid being stopped in the early stages by providing a great deal of evidence immediately and avoided the tabloids and TV news media to which I already know are corrupt, and there is a plan in place for them too, that this year there are going to be some very surprising things on my blog, very surprising indeed.

Now what I do is publish all this to achieve one thing and one thing only, as stated I always knew every approach would come to naught. I simply cajoled readers into asking themselves one simple question...

  • Do they actually do anything and why am I paying for this out of my taxes?

So you might sit there reading this shrugging your shoulders because your bosses said this and that but your bosses also do things there staff are unware of, or at least they hope they are not, which are underhanded and wrong. I am doing and getting exactly what I told my readers I would get in each case. Thereby proving my point and considering that ...

  • I have over 100GB of data as evidence and that despite explaining some very serious crimes everyone fell into one simple trap...I told them I gave them around 25% of what I had and they made decisions to do nothing without actually asking for the rest of it
  • Not one person has come down on the side of those that became my victims. Dozens of public funded organisations and out of 200,000 people and a survey with numbers no TV News Media has ever seen the likes of and we still wait for one single solitary defender from the public
  • Pointing out what many idiots miss....those 200,000 have careers. They could be journalists, Vicars (well one was and left a comment and could not thank me enough for reasons I will NOT go into here), Members of Parliament (I have at least TWO MP's I know of I will nott name either) and all manner of other professions.
  • From day one I also encouraged whistleblowers to come out before being forced to fall on their own swords when the crap hit the fan and the bosses ultimately responsible and knew full well what they were doing decide to do a runner and go off to run some other public funded organisation whereby it starts all over again and they get away with it
  • No, from day one I was never after front line staff, like you for instance. I wanted to get at those ultimately repsonsible and cause them sleepless nights when they realised what I have done, what I am capable of and exactly what I will do next

So thank you for complying with all the above and for not sending off the email as I asked. Well I type that but I have not read all your email. God, people put so much blab into emails that means nothing nor actually achieves any goal. Just blab, blab, blab. We do this and we do that and yet the public never bloody see any evidence of it and nothing ever changes. Or does every five years or so. So yeah I am just assuming you did not forward it to that ADR, ARD, DRA or whatever other public funded body I had never heard f before.

Oh yeah and speaking of that I did a long run down series of blog posts regarding FOIs over funding and salaries and listed them on-line. My God, even I had no clue and not even close to estimating how many there were! The number 104 seems to ring a bell but every noa and then I find out there is another?!

Yes so thanks for that too, all good to keep adding these spongers to the long list of spongers.

Yours

Martin Haswell BSc



From: OCCtelecoms@ofcom.org.uk
To: saintallnights@hotmail.com
Subject: Ofcom reference: 1-282315014
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 15:40:38 +0000

Ofcom reference: 1-282315014

2 April 2015

Dear Mr Haswell

Thank you for your email of 24 March 2015, the contents of which have been noted. I understand you would like to know what Ofcom, as an organisation does. In the telecoms area, we do not become involved in individual disputes; however, we do register complaints received which helps us to highlight areas of concern. If we notice that there may be a particular issue around a certain subject and/or provider, where appropriate, we may take further action. Further information about the services we that regulate and how we do this is shown at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/about/?a=0

In terms of your complaint relating to Three, it is a providers commercial decision as to whether they allow tethering and if so, on what type of packages. It may also be worthwhile taking into account that, unfortunately, ‘all you can eat data’ doesn’t negate the position on tethering. Nevertheless, it might be a good idea for you to check Three’s terms and conditions to clarify the situation. If you feel that Three has acted outside of these, they have a complaints process you can follow which can be found at:www.three.co.uk/Help_Support/Contact_Us/Complaints_code.

Once you have exhausted the process of been complaining for over eight weeks, you may wish to take the matter to an Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) scheme. An ADR scheme deals with individual complaints and is an important piece of consumer protection, as they are free and independent for consumers like you. Three must abide by the ADR scheme’s decision, but if you remain unhappy you are free to consider legal action. Three’s ADR scheme is:

Ombudsman Services: Communications (OSC)
PO Box 730
Warrington
WA4 6WU
                                                          
Telephone: 0330 440 1614

Please note; OSC is unable to overturn Three’s decision not to allow tethering because as mentioned above, this is a commercial decision.

Turning to you stating that you haven’t given Three permission to store data on your computer, it is unlikely that they are doing so. As Three can see how you are accessing their network, they can detect tethering and subsequently display their webpage.

Regarding the faulty goods issue that you highlighted, there are no Ofcom regulations that relate to this, but it may be covered by the Sale of Goods Act. If you would like advice on this, you should be able to obtain further information from the Citizens Advice consumer service. You can contact the Citizens Advice consumer service on: 03454 040506 and their website can be accessed at: www.adviceguide.org.uk.

Finally, I would like to thank you for contacting Ofcom and can confirm that your complaint has been registered for monitoring purposes.

Yours sincerely

Sandra Sutton
Consumer Contact Team

Thursday, 19 March 2015

THREE LEG LEWIS

FORENOTE: GOOGLE'S ANDROID JUST POSTED MY BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER WITHIN THE WORD 'OMBUDSMAN' BELOW?!?!

HMM DESIRE LOLLIPOP ANDROID STILL CAN'T HANDLE FONTS EITHER?!

AMATEURS!!

Jesus effing Christ!!!

Google and Blogger has once again lost an entire post I typed out!!

It's just effing text for Christ sake! Alan Sugar has been wealthy for an absolute age and he did it selling computers that handled text. A bloody age ago!

But Google are having a few problems getting it right and over a year since I had the App and they STILL CAN'T HANDLE TEXT peculiarly after buying companies that were handling text rather well?!

I am not quite sure how you do that?!

Start again then?

Bad, bad morning. Ugh! I really don't want to do this... Tomorrow ...

Retyped and spent thirty minutes trying to copy this from Google's shite QuickOffice as I can no longer do this from any other device... according to the text messes that is. MAN LIVE IT'S FECKING TEXT!! Go and speak to Alan Sugar... he may be able to recall thirty years ago when he made his Word Processors and teach you got to handle text. Microsoft can teach you how to copy and paste! Lol.

yping this section out AGAIN as Google and their crappy Blogger App lost a shed load of text again! Week it is extremely tricky and technical having to desk with cutting edge stuff like te than 18 months ago made an alarming return.

Now some people, many have, call this cramp but that would not be describing it properly and not entirely sure it's accurate.

Four family members have witnessed it the first being my grandfather and grandmother, the latter passing away some fifteen years ago. Desperately asking me what was wrong my grandfather was frustrated when I did  not respond. After around twenty seconds I managed to utter 'leg' between screams. After grabbing the wrong one he then held the offending leg before looking up at my grandmother and saying "Christ, it's like holding a rock!"

You can't speak when it strikes. No matter how much you may not want to scream...you scream. Nothing else ever has achieved that but this does.

If a Doctor told me I would get this once a week I would demand morphine otherwise it would be a bullet to my own head! Without batting an eyelid!

Despite the length of time since it last struck, I really thought it had gone for good, I was already holding my calf muscle and squeezing it tight when I came to and realised what was going on. The muscle expands when it flexes and this must be to extremes when this pain hits? Squeezing the muscle tightly keeps the pain at bay but the muscle spasms and you get the pain rise and dip down again.

You still yell.

One time and on this house my mother and one brother was here and they and to witnessing it. Well hearing it first as this thing only ever occurs when I'm asleep?! Yep it's a bit weird. Around 3am my brother burst into my bedroom and I was thrashing about atop my bed. Once again I was  to get a single solitary word out which is very weird. Your brain is going over words in your head but no sound is emanating from you.

I have no idea of this is related from Fibromyalgia but I have my own doubts that it does. Not in regards to manifesting phantom pain, that is. Maybe some house cleaning job is not doing maybe. But why only one leg?

Oddly it's the calf where I have both varicose veins, not on other leg, and the dodgy knee. One to ask three Doctor next time I see him.

Then tonight after months of crap internet Three Mobile  text me REPEATEDLY and tell me I can't use tethering on Pay As You Go. So now snooping into my phone are they?!

Little so they know I already contacted Ofcom. I went mad, especially as they suggested I go and BUY a second device, err that's the only reason I bought this phone! So they are back to wanting TWO LOTS OF MONTHLY CASH FOR THE EXACT SAME THING!

Hmm think I have the rest on the blog post already?

Ooh except the part where I went onto British Telecom's website and silent thirty minutes going through an order for their Infinity and chose the 17GB unlimited downloads and was right near the effing end when it told me not to close the webpage and that my connection was estimated to be between 3MB and 8MB?!

Err NOO 17GB, SEVENTEEN GIGABIT, THAT IS WHAT IT SAID... NOT 3 OR 8MB!  For fuck sake! All these people do is act as a portal to something that's free. They can't giving fucking do that without doing it badly and being greedy about it?!

£30 per month for just a broadband connection that barely classes as such. The term broadband implied broader than the average. 3MB is NOT the average!! It's the BARE MINIMUM and is what my effing mobile is supposed to be but has not been hitting 1MB for several months...maybe never?!
Still hold their hands out for piles of wonga and Ombuds[UMM ANDROID JUST PASTED MY BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER RIGHT HERE?!?!]man still sit around with their thumbs to their arse taking tens of millions of pounds a year out of the public purse for wages, perks, cars and god knows how many other things?!

But the Tories will take even now money from those without any and who were not to blame but many soon going into their wooden boxes for the long sleep goodnight, though.

That was one weird budget that did not make sense, other than pandering to people's greed and thinks everyone is greedy?

In fact one idiot I don't like left another so called money expert I don't like, Martin (?) Lewis, who was on the BBC studio who said the words 'I don't know' so many times it made my head spin, while laughing!

Right now that email...

Dear Sirs

Bloody hell?!

Ofcom and YOU?!

How many of you does it take to do nothing and take taxpayers money for it?!

Don't ever reply to that comment. You will only start a war that ends up being posted on my blog that has tens of gigabytes of secretly recorded audio of meetings, appointments, phone calls and ask manner of things regarding corruption in the UK, who is at it and how along with Ombudsman that don't do anything about it or even ask to see the evidence?!

Tsk-tsk.

I have already emailed Ofcom about the fact that I and others on Three, Vodafone, Orange, EE and O2 right across North London have had very slow or no Internet for MONTHS!!

Also... before you read the letter pasted below...digital data is considered in law to be a commodity. It's treated as physical just like a Blu-Ray player or Television...

You therefore cannot charge twice for it!

Yet they have, did and still do and my own mother bought a tablet PC she thought she was posing monthly for and argued with me that it did not have a son card in the tablet, she has a Samsung S5 already. I then simply rang her tablet!! To a very confused face!

Without going over one again what I am complaining about, no it's neither of those as I am sure you have had many you have done nothing about.

No out is the flowing...

EMAIL...

Dear Sirs

Right before I rip you a new one, because I deal in corruption and corporate bullshit and have a website with 100gb secretly recorded audio and get such stupid lies it's not true and everyone underestimates me by a country mile, I want to ask you ax question...

Now I am going to state right here and RIGHT NOW I have a BSc Single Honours Degree in Applied Computing. So I an trying to ward you off peeving me off before hand.

You have been warned.

Now what the telecoms companies have been trying to do with data... is a rip off...pure and simple.
If a member of the public did this with anything owned by large greedy corporate twats they would give down on them like a ton of bricks and even prosecute them. Corporations, however, seem to think that the rules and laws are different for them.

Secondly... data is data. It does not matter if it's a phone, dongle, hard-line or blowing it out your arse...

I have had no Internet connection via tethering for a  couple of months.. you owe me £15 by the way.
As well as me I have been told by mobile phone users right across North London on all networks that they have had no Internet or has been very slow for several months now.

Bearing this in mind why the feck are you texting me now telling me that I can't use tethering anymore?! No warning or anything... cheers for that awfully considerate of you.

Why have you doing this bearing on mind I emailed you with a complaint recently?! Which you did feck all about by the way!!

It gets better because in the same message you bloody well tell me to go and give you even more money for another device I don't fecking need for a service your not effing providing?!

I am so glad I have Of com a fecking roasting recently because they do feck all to keep you in check while taking taxpayers money!!

It is criminal and fraud and I am sending a copy of this to Of com and publishing it on my blog.
I WON'T BE buying ANOTHER device, thank you very much and nor will I be buying anymore credit from you each month... AT ALL!!

I will be going the hard-line route and as Android is also effing crap, something tech journalists seen to miss but something else I hear more and more from people you can place your mobile phones where the sun don't shine!!

Martin Haswell BSc